On Jul 23 2008 7:41 AM, AJ wrote:
> Thanks K9way, I found your comments very enlighten.
> Enough so to just start accepting and go with the
> flow more.
>
> umm, I mentioned Doyle cause most of the publicity
> one reads suggests he started in an environment even
> less conducive then bar leagues. I however did not
> realize it was even more seedier. In a way it's
> amazing he's was not shot dead.
>
> Maybe you can you provide this neophyte with advise
> on how to handle a rule type argument in these
> less controlled places.
OK HERE IS ONE . When confronted with a rules issue , act like you are
thinking REAL HARD, then when the ruling is questioned just simply say
"INDUSTRY STANDARD", works for me every time !!
>
> I still think the leagues should provide a comprehensive
> rule booklet as part of the setup package. The written
> word is as powerful as it get. It's not like it would
> cost and would save a few fist fights from happening at
> the very least.
>
> AJ
>
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:44:16 -0700, "K9way" <ad14635@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 22 2008 5:55 PM, AJ wrote:
> >
> >> Love the Bill Boyd quote, thanks.
> >>
> >> The real problem is the average Joe applies rules
> >> in a communist fa****on not in a friendly Bill Boyd type way.
> >
> >Funny that you should use the word communist and Bill Boyd in the same
> >sentence. Bill was certainly not a communist but that word does remind
one
> >of the word 'dictator"
> >
> >Bill Boyd did more for poker than Moneymaker , Amarillo Slim , and ESPN
> >combined. There would be no casino poker in Las vegas or anywhere else
,
> >were it not for Bill Boyd. But Bill Boyd was a harsh, intolerant,
dictator.
> >
> >Bill Boyd would make someone who wanted to be a dealer ****ll 1-3 stud
> >games for 6 months just to earn a down in the same 1-3 stud game.. You
> >make a mistake.. back to ****lling. It would take their best dealers 2
> >years to get a down in the 10-20game. harsh OH YEAH , but they had the
> >best dealers in the world there, and if you werent caught stealing(and
you
> >better not), you could work anywhere in the industry.
> >
> >That was back when dealing was a profession rather than a"job".
> >
> >Now it is just a ****in job infested with thousands of morons who
couldnt
> >pass an audition at the El Cortez
> >> They don't see it as angle shooting. they see it as a rule
> >> like criminal law as absolute. they don't get the idea that
> >> by giving up one pot no matter how large they are keeping the
> >> chance to get more pots in the future. Bill wanted his customer
> >> to come back and so do I.
> >>
> >> The reason many rules exist is to stop and detect cheating.
> >> otherwise the only real rule is Read'em and Weep. but like
> >> I said the average Joe doesn't understand this.
> >>
> >> Some of you guy's in your Vegas bubble or worse online bubble
> >> don't understand these type of people exist or that grassroots bar
> >> leagues exist. TV is bringing them to you with above belief's.
> >>
> >> Bar poker is the world Doyle learned his game.
> >
> >Wrong Sparky!! Doyle learned the game in pool rooms , and private games
in
> >Texas. Doyle wasnt Teaxs's best Bar League player. There has been a
> >circuit of SUPER High limit and N/L games in Texas for over 40-50
years.
> >Amarillo Slim started in a pool room in Amarillo . Thye put a cover on
the
> >snooker table .
> >
> >
> >
> >TV and bar leagues
> >> are bringing it back. the one exception between Doyle's time
> >> and now is that the leagues have responsibility for supplying
> >> a floor person which empowers them to set a standard.
> >> agree with or not at least it's a standard that can be read
> >> on the spot at the time of the argument with an untrained floor.
> >>
> >> A month ago I got into trouble telling a player he could not
> >> pick up muck cards and look at them. He got all pissed and the
> >> the floorperson yelled at me saying this is a free and friendly
> >> game whats your problem? I'm like, HUH?
> >>
> >> At bar leagues the job of TD goes to who ever wants it.
> >> they get paid a flat fee of $50 for about 4 hours of time.
> >> to date I've only seen 2 of them worth any salt.
> >>
> >> They are all untrained and uncertified.
> >
> >Psst!1 i will let you in on a little 'trade secret". there are no
training
> >courses for floor people. they are usually 'juiced' into the job by
> >friends and family or to pay a debt. hile there are schools for
dealers.
> >Not so for floor people
> >
> >Except for maybe the floor people at Foxwoods. they cant be that inept
> >without some sort of training
> >
> >
> >
> > A MAJOR complaint
> >> of mine with the league owners and at least one of them
> >> knows it. Now another is going to.
> >>
> >> When I asked for a league rule book at the bars I get a
> >> blank stare. League web site if rules are listed are very basic
> >> and lame. Nothing you can use to hit arguing drunks with.
> >>
> >> I don't expect training and certifying at this level of play.
> >> I do expect something comparable to Hoyle or Robert at each
> >> bar as part of the setup package. we use clay chips and plastic
> >> cards. so where's the rule booklet?
> >>
> >> Hell, RPG from 10 years ago has the best written rules
> >> for home games I've ever seen. Beats Robert's Rules and
> >> the Director's Association printout is a joke. In my
> >> view if the TD Association want's power they need to
> >> grab the grassroots also. that means a home game set
> >> of rules different then casinos understandable by the
> >> average drunk.
> >
> >Trust me the grassroots have found organized poker , and there are far
> >more drunks in organized poker than in bar leagues !!
> >
> >**HIC**
> >>
> >> Sorry for the soap box
> >>
> >> AJ
> >
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