Subj: NO NO SKLANSKY
Date: 9/14/2003 9:28:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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Subject: no, no, David Sklansky by GCA
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Date: 2001-11-28 23:15:24 PST
A 200-400 Hi Lo game was being spread at the Flamingo and being easily
the best Hi-Lo player in the world at that time, I cajoled my
blackjack backer
into putting me into that game. I didn't need to cheat but in order to
get
staked I had to softplay his two other horses in the game. I agreed. I
never
got in that game again since my one play woke up high rollers not to a
scam,
but to the fact that they must not know the game well.
These are the words of David Sklansky above. All poker players have
ego's. Me especially. There are so many flaws in this story it looks
like "Swiss Cheese". I have stated that I would attack posts that was
not credible. Dave Sklansky will have to come with more than
statements like this.
First of all David is claiming he was the best Hi-lo player in those
days.[quite a statement][is this ego] If he would have stated
something like this in my presence, I would have been on him like a
"KILLER WHALE" with a seal pup. I could have easily of "chewed him up
and spit him out". The only reason I couldn't play in those games is
because they were being scammed. Even if I gave David the point where
he was the "best hi lo split player", which I won't, the games were
still scammed. If the game wasn't being scammed, I would of. I was
doing this in LA at this time. And I don't want to hear that I am a
lowball player. I am a "pot and no limit player" and in my opinion I
am equal in all games.They just happened to play lowball in California
at this time. It is the other people that play many games poorly. In
Ca. alone I am considered the "best hi lo split player" as well as
probably the toughest heads-up player. I just consider the other
players as being poor. It is the same attitude as David. However at
this time in our lives I was at the top of the Poker Food Chain and
David was far below. And it wasn't because I cheated. I am a player.
To travel the country on your own, which I did, and win the money is
probably the most difficult thing you can do in poker. You are always
on some ones turf. Yet, I beat them on the own turf in most place I
went to. Some of the places were too "mobbed up" [to much power and
cheating to fight] they had to be avoided, as in Las Vegas. Otherwise
I did get the money.
You can ask Ray Zee this question. He traveled around by himself. He
got the money. He knew where he could play and where he couldn't, just
as I did. I could also annihilate Ray Zee as a player. I have told you
I had an ego. I backed it up. Ray Zee also had an ego. I told you what
happened when we played. It was an honest game, though either would
have cheated if given a chance. You have to understand Ray Zee is also
a cheater catcher. He is also in the know.
I knew the games in Vegas were scammed. How could I play in them.
David is the one that is giving you people the 95% and the 5% to
benefit himself. Though David states, he did this one time, I know it
wasn't so. However, for arguments sake, I will give David this point.
The games were still scammed. How does David know that the players he
was soft playing, weren't using signals? How does he know marked cards
weren't being used?
For him to state that WCP won't do this because of the fear from what
they can lose is a bunch of "bull-****". It is done for self
preservation and as an insurance policy. It is done to GET RICH. You
get 8 WCP in the same game and some one is going broke. Most short
games are 4 WCP and a live one. Can't you realize that the dominant
player will get the money in the long run. However, most of the guys
didn't have a bankroll for the "long run" and thus were in danger of
going broke if they played to high. Thus we have situation where they
teamed up to fleece the suckers who wanted to play higher than they
could afford to play. Many would have gone broke as Huck Seed. Without
the security of having the "cheating pack" to back you in bad times,
when you hit bottom you have a tough road back.
Thus the "pack" loans to it's members who do have bad habits. And
believe me, most of us do. Security comes from the fact that you know
you are able to scam with your pack. It enables you to go broke time
after time, since you know you can always get money. As I can.
He states he never played the game again because he was the "best in
the world at hi-lo" and he showed the other WCP in the game they
didn't know the game at all. Well, I know they didn't know the game
well, but it would make no difference. Two players going in opposite
directions in Hi-lo when WCP would kill any game of this kind anyway.
David has stated this himself.
David claims he had knowledge of just a few times that people played.
I have showed you what we did in California. I have showed you how we
scammed the games when we were not being "jr mechanics". How can David
Sklansky state this if he only played the game once, "what were others
doing in the game"? I was also around at this time. What he saw was
totally different than what I saw.
All great poker players want to play "high". I was playing at this
level and higher at this time. But I knew the cheats were in the game.
I was one. I knew David did this, and he states he only did it once.
Funny that I could know the one time he was out of line. David, what
would you put the probability of me knowing the "one time in your life
that you were even compromised to a degree"? It would truly be an
amazing statistic. One time in a persons life that he makes a slight
mistake and I know about it. In these days David wasn't even a "name".
I was. Yet, I know. Something is definitely wrong with this picture.
Subtle collusion one time in a person's life and Russ G knows. I
really must be good, or have quite a "news pipeline".
David states that he "woke up the high rollers" to their inadequacy's
in the $200-$400 hi lo. He has stated he considered himself the best
player and didn't play because he "woke up the high rollers". What
does this have to do with anything? If he was so superior to these
people, why didn't he play in the game, or sell a piece of himself to
other individuals out side the game. Why didn't he get the money to
play in the game, since it was so easy to beat?
If that game was so easy to beat, the $30-$60 games must have been
very easy. Surely you have to put your bankroll into play at this time
in your life. After all, you were a huge favorite and your bankroll is
so small that it wouldn't have mattered. Say you had a bankroll of
$40,000, it would of been very wise to at least put half of it into
action. Look at the potential windfall you could be missing. Playing
$200-$400 for a year or two and winning the money would definitely put
a person such a David Sklansky into a great position in life quickly.
Dave was a miser with no bad habits. Otherwise it would take years for
another op****tunity to come around. After all, he states he is a WCP
and thus would not really lose any money, he would only lose a little
time if he lost. Because he could go right back to plating $30-$60,
winning a large bet an hour, or approximately $480 a day. It wouldn't
of taken long to get his money back, provided he isn't lying.
When ever I played poker in those days, I would never look at a loss
as money. I had a saying J.A.M.O.T Just A Matter Of Time. Provided
I was the best as I knew, I never lost money. I just lost time. The
money would be there until I came back to get it. I always did. It was
not hard to just work your way up to your level, provided the games
you were playing were honest. You could always drop down a notch and
find a game. So why would David not care to play in a game where he
has just admitted he was the superior player. He was young and had not
even established himself yet. Sorry David, I can't buy your story. TOO
MANY HOLES
Any player from those days could easily have "ponied up" with David
with $20,000 and thus David would have $40,000 to take a shot with in
the $200-$400 game. This would have been a great chance in life with
David being a "huge favorite", presuming what David has stated is
true.
However, this is where David is using the 95% and the 5%. The numbers
are in the wrong order however. The fact is all the games were scammed
when you played at this level. It was just not simple collusion as
David states. Many WCP existed in those days. Most of us are still
here today. The level of poker player from the 70's is the highest
level of player to have ever played the game.
It remains that I was always in and out of Vegas at times in those
years. It was only an hour away and I was young and always looking at
an edge. David was also. It remains like I have stated before, David
Sklansky did participate for at least a couple of years. He saw what
the game was all about [meaning the rampant cheating]. And then made a
wise decision to become a writer. After all he knew what the Poker
World was really about.
David Sklansky was playing in the days of Tony "the ant" Spilatro.
This was the guy who controlled Vegas poker then. The "mob guy" out of
the movie casino. All the games were crooked. David knew this. You
would have to "deft, dumb, and blind" not to know. I will not accuse
David of any of these. These were the days when Tony "the ant"
Spilatro considered Vegas his TURF. To think he was honest would be to
plead insanity.
If some one wants corroboration on the extent of "poker cheating" in
the 70's from a man who everyone knows, they should look at the
article about the "Poker Lords" by Frank "Lefty" Rosenthal. The guy
who was the "main character" [played by Robert Deniro] in the movie
Casino. Tony Spilatro was the part played by Joe Pesci. You can find
this article under "hey Russ G" or by going to the site
http://www.frankrosenthal.com/web/feature.shtml
This is a man everyone knows. They made a major movie about him. See
what he has to say on this issue. It will astound you. He was also
associated with Tony Spilatro. On a level of equality. Far different
than everyone else who would work for Tony.
Besides, David Sklansky and I had much correspondence on the issue in
private. From the e mails I have from him a different picture can be
painted about my credibility. I have asked David to allow me to post
the e-mails we had between us. Apparently they fell on deaf ears.
People would be able to see a different David if I posted these. I
will with his permission. What does he have to hide? After all, he
tells you "this is the truth". I have a different opinion. Well David,
I ask again, CAN I POST THE CORRESPONDENCE BETWEEN US? One of us is
clearly extrapolating? I say it is David. I have e-mails from him. You
can be the judge.
Russ Georgiev
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