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OT: Assault on Free Speech

by "da pickle" <jcpickels@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (nospam)hotmail.com> Jun 13, 2008 at 08:35 AM

I am somewhat stunned by the latest discussion on "free speech."

All you have to do is not like (well, you really have to "hate it") what 
someone says ... toleration of people saying things that the people in
power 
"hate" is the essence of the first amendment.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/12/us/12hate.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin


American Exception

Unlike Others, U.S. Defends Freedom to Offend in Speech

By ADAM LIPTAK

Published: June 12, 2008

VANCOUVER, British Columbia — A couple of years ago, a Canadian magazine 
published an article arguing that the rise of Islam threatened Western 
values. The article’s tone was mocking and biting, but it said nothing
that 
conservative magazines and blogs in the United States do not say every day

without fear of legal reprisal.

Things are different here. The magazine is on trial.

Two members of the Canadian Islamic Congress say the magazine, Maclean’s, 
Canada’s leading newsweekly, violated a provincial hate speech law by 
stirring up hatred against Muslims. They say the magazine should be 
forbidden from saying similar things, forced to publish a rebuttal and
made 
to compensate Muslims for injuring their “dignity, feelings and 
self-respect.”

The British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal, which held five days of
hearings 
on those questions here last week, will soon rule on whether Maclean’s 
violated the law. As spectators lined up for the afternoon session last 
week, an argument broke out.

“It’s hate speech!” yelled one man.

“It’s free speech!” yelled another.

In the United States, that debate has been settled. Under the First 
Amendment, newspapers and magazines can say what they like about
minorities 
and religions — even false, provocative or hateful things — without legal 
consequence.

The Maclean’s article, “The Future Belongs to Islam,” was an excerpt from
a 
book by Mark Steyn called “America Alone” (Regnery, 2006). The title was 
fitting: The United States, in its treatment of hate speech, as in so many

other areas of the law, takes a distinctive legal path.

“In much of the developed world, one uses racial epithets at one’s legal 
peril, one displays Nazi regalia and the other trappings of ethnic hatred
at 
significant legal risk, and one urges discrimination against religious 
minorities under threat of fine or imprisonment,” Frederick Schauer, a 
professor at the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, wrote in
a 
recent essay called “The Exceptional First Amendment.”

“But in the United States,” Professor Schauer continued, “all such speech 
remains constitutionally protected.”

Canada, England, France, Germany, the Netherlands, South Africa, Australia

and India all have laws or have signed international conventions banning 
hate speech. Israel and France forbid the sale of Nazi items like
swastikas 
and flags. It is a crime to deny the Holocaust in Canada, Germany and 
France.

Earlier this month, the actress Brigitte Bardot, an animal rights
activist, 
was fined $23,000 in France for provoking racial hatred by criticizing a 
Muslim ceremony involving the slaughter of sheep.

By contrast, American courts would not stop a planned march by the
American 
Nazi Party in Skokie, Ill., in 1977, though a march would have been deeply

distressing to the many Holocaust survivors there.

Six years later, a state court judge in New York dismissed a libel case 
brought by several Puerto Rican groups against a business executive who
had 
called food stamps “basically a Puerto Rican program.” The First
Amendment, 
Justice Eve M. Preminger wrote, does not allow even false statements about

racial or ethnic groups to be suppressed or punished just because they may

increase “the general level of prejudice.”

Some prominent legal scholars say the United States should reconsider its 
position on hate speech.

“It is not clear to me that the Europeans are mistaken,” Jeremy Waldron, a

legal philosopher, wrote in The New York Review of Books last month, “when

they say that a liberal democracy must take affirmative responsibility for

protecting the atmosphere of mutual respect against certain forms of
vicious 
attack.”

Professor Waldron was reviewing “Freedom for the Thought That We Hate: A 
Biography of the First Amendment” by Anthony Lewis, the former New York 
Times columnist. Mr. Lewis has been critical of efforts to use the law to 
limit hate speech.

But even Mr. Lewis, a liberal, wrote in his book that he was inclined to 
relax some of the most stringent First Amendment protections “in an age
when 
words have inspired acts of mass murder and terrorism.” In particular, he 
called for a re-examination of the Supreme Court’s insistence that there
is 
only one justification for making incitement a criminal offense: the 
likelihood of imminent violence.

The imminence requirement sets a high hurdle. Mere advocacy of violence, 
terrorism or the overthrow of the government is not enough; the words must

be meant to and be likely to produce violence or lawlessness right away. A

fiery speech urging an angry mob to immediately assault a black man in its

midst probably qualifies as incitement under the First Amendment. A
magazine 
article — or any publication — intended to stir up racial hatred surely
does 
not.

Mr. Lewis wrote that there was “genuinely dangerous” speech that did not 
meet the imminence requirement.

“I think we should be able to punish speech that urges terrorist violence
to 
an audience, some of whose members are ready to act on the urging,” Mr. 
Lewis wrote. “That is imminence enough.”

Harvey A. Silverglate, a civil liberties lawyer in Cambridge, Mass., 
disagreed. “When times are tough,” he said, “there seems to be a tendency
to 
say there is too much freedom.”

“Free speech matters because it works,” Mr. Silverglate continued.
Scrutiny 
and debate are more effective ways of combating hate speech than
censor****p, 
he said, and all the more so in the post-Sept. 11 era.

“The world didn’t suffer because too many people read ‘Mein Kampf,’ ” Mr. 
Silverglate said. “Sending Hitler on a speaking tour of the United States 
would have been quite a good idea.”

Mr. Silverglate seemed to be echoing the words of Justice Oliver Wendell 
Holmes Jr., whose 1919 dissent in Abrams v. United States eventually
formed 
the basis for modern First Amendment law.

“The best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted

in the competition of the market,” Justice Holmes wrote.

“I think that we should be eternally vigilant,” he added, “against
attempts 
to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be
fraught 
with death.”

The First Amendment is not, of course, absolute. The Supreme Court has
said 
that the government may ban fighting words or threats. Punishments may be 
enhanced for violent crimes prompted by racial hatred. And private 
institutions, including universities and employers, are not subject to the

First Amendment, which restricts only government activities.

But merely saying hateful things about minorities, even with the intent to

cause their members distress and to generate contempt and loathing, is 
protected by the First Amendment.

In 1969, for instance, the Supreme Court unanimously overturned the 
conviction of a leader of a Ku Klux Klan group under an Ohio statute that 
banned the advocacy of terrorism. The Klan leader, Clarence Brandenburg,
had 
urged his followers at a rally to “send the Jews back to Israel,” to
“bury” 
blacks, though he did not call them that, and to consider “revengeance” 
against politicians and judges who were unsympathetic to whites.

Only Klan members and journalists were present. Because Mr. Brandenburg’s 
words fell short of calling for immediate violence in a setting where such

violence was likely, the Supreme Court ruled that he could not be
prosecuted 
for incitement.

In his opening statement in the Canadian magazine case, a lawyer 
representing the Muslim plaintiffs aggrieved by the Maclean’s article 
pleaded with a three-member panel of the tribunal to declare that the 
article subjected his clients to “hatred and ridicule” and to force the 
magazine to publish a response.

“You are the only thing between racist, hateful, contemptuous Islamophobic

and irresponsible journalism, and law-abiding Canadian citizens,” the 
lawyer, Faisal Joseph, told the tribunal.

In response, the lawyer for Maclean’s, Roger D. McConchie, all but called 
the proceeding a sham.

“Innocent intent is not a defense,” Mr. McConchie said in a bitter
criticism 
of the British Columbia law on hate speech. “Nor is truth. Nor is fair 
comment on true facts. Publication in the public interest and for the
public 
benefit is not a defense. Opinion expressed in good faith is not a
defense. 
Responsible journalism is not a defense.”

Jason Gratl, a lawyer for the British Columbia Civil Liberties Association

and the Canadian Association of Journalists, which have intervened in the 
case in sup****t of the magazine, was measured in his criticism of the law.

“Canadians do not have a cast-iron stomach for offensive speech,” Mr.
Gratl 
said in a telephone interview. “We don’t subscribe to a marketplace of 
ideas. Americans as a whole are more tough-minded and more prepared for 
verbal combat.”

Many foreign courts have respectfully considered the American approach —
and 
then rejected it.

A 1990 decision from the Canadian Supreme Court, for instance, upheld the 
criminal conviction of James Keegstra for “unlawfully promoting hatred 
against an identifiable group by communicating anti-Semitic statements.”
Mr. 
Keegstra, a teacher, had told his students that Jews were “money loving,” 
“power hungry” and “treacherous.”

Writing for the majority, Chief Justice Brian Dickson said there was an 
issue “crucial to the disposition of this appeal: the relation****p between

Canadian and American approaches to the constitutional protection of free 
expression, most notably in the realm of hate propaganda.”

Chief Justice Dickson said “there is much to be learned from First
Amendment 
jurisprudence.” But he concluded that “the international commitment to 
eradicate hate propaganda and, most im****tantly, the special role given 
equality and multiculturalism in the Canadian Constitution necessitate a 
departure from the view, reasonably prevalent in America at present, that 
the suppression of hate propaganda is incompatible with the guarantee of 
free expression.”

The United States’ distinctive approach to free speech, legal scholars
say, 
has many causes. It is partly rooted in an individualistic view of the 
world. Fear of allowing the government to decide what speech is acceptable

plays a role. So does history.

“It would be really hard to criticize Israel, Austria, Germany and South 
Africa, given their histories,” for laws banning hate speech, Professor 
Schauer said in an interview.

In Canada, however, laws banning hate speech seem to stem from a desire to

promote societal harmony. While the Ontario Human Rights Commission 
dismissed a complaint against Maclean’s, it still condemned the article.

“In Canada, the right to freedom of expression is not absolute, nor should

it be,” the commission’s statement said. “By ****traying Muslims as all 
sharing the same negative characteristics, including being a threat to
‘the 
West,’ this explicit expression of Islamophobia further perpetuates and 
promotes prejudice toward Muslims and others.”

A separate federal complaint against Maclean’s is pending.

Mr. Steyn, the author of the article, said the Canadian proceedings had 
illustrated some im****tant distinctions. “The problem with so-called hate 
speech laws is that they’re not about facts,” he said in a telephone 
interview. “They’re about feelings.”

“What we’re learning here is really the bedrock difference between the 
United States and the countries that are in a broad sense its legal 
 cousins,” Mr. Steyn added. “Western governments are becoming increasingly

comfortable with the regulation of opinion. The First Amendment really
does 
distinguish the U.S., not just from Canada but from the rest of the
Western 
world.”
 




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"da pickle" <  2008-06-13 08:35:37 
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Jason Pawloski <jpawlo  2008-06-13 09:22:22 
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"da pickle" <  2008-06-15 09:51:29 
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"BillB" <bog  2008-06-21 17:29:40 
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Pepe Papon <hitmeister  2008-06-15 21:13:30 
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"Kyle T. Jones"  2008-06-17 16:56:28 

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